Episode 2.10 – Rev. Kyle Wagner

Episode 2.2
Rev. Kyle Wagner – “The Inner Light”

Kyle WagnerRev. Kyle Wagner, the Anglican rector for Seaforth Parish in Nova Scotia, joins host Paul Kimball for a wide-ranging conversation about faith, spirituality, the nature of God and the Kingdom of Heaven, whether or not there is evil in the world, how and why the Church still engages in exorcisms, what happens to us after death… and some paranormal topics as well, including ghosts, the prospect of extraterrestrial life – whether here on Earth as visitors or “out there” among the stars – and how it might affect our view of ourselves and our relationship with God, and his own personal spiritual awakening.

Kyle has a Bachelor’s Degree in history and political science from Mount Allison University, and a Masters of Divinity from the Atlantic School of Theology. His occasional blog can be found here.

This episode was recorded on 4 September, 2013.

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  • Closing music: ”Perfect Tourists” – written by Dan Jardine and performed by Danger Dean.

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  • steph

    one ringie-dingie.

    two ringie-dingies….”

    okay, so the call. In my experience the situation in which you ‘heard’ it is one tried and true method for inducing this awareness. To wit: discussing spiritual matters in an honest, deep, relaxed and open-ended manner with another person – anywhere, with anyone really, but the chances of opening the veil or hearing ‘the call’ or letting the ego drop so one can feel an awareness of the void or etc. are greatly increased if one of the people in the discussion has had that experience previously and also if you’re in a place where many people have cultivated such awareness. Just like in your story.

    I myself had two such experiences, in both of which the other person was reduced to tears (not just a tear or two, but prolonged weeping). Both of these examples took place in a small Tibetan Buddhist Meditation Center where i lived for a while. I actually didn’t participate much at all in most of the public activities, though i did do quite a bit of cleaning. For most of my stay i slept right under the meditation hall under the teaching spot, where a number of prominent teachers had taught, including His Holiness the Sakya Trizin and the Dalai Lama.

    So, FWIW – i’m always interested when i can find some type of pattern amongst these occurrences, it doesn’t pop up as much as one would hope.

    Those interested in exorcism should listen to Greg Kaminsky’s interview with Josephine McCarthy right away – you are in for a treat!

    http://occultofpersonality.net/podcast-100-josephine-mccarthy/

    Ms. McCarthy explains herself much much better than i ever could. But she tells some wonderful stories, which help with understanding. In one case she talks about a woman who, as it turned out, was ‘possessed’ by a fire nature spirit. The spirit was a very important part of the natural ecosystem (if i remember correctly in southern california?), but you can imagine the torment for the woman. To sum up, it was a mix up – wrong place wrong energy organization (unlocked doors as you put it Mr. Kimball) wrong time, and fortunately it was straightened out. Not evil, but you can see how it would be seen that way!

    At the same time, i think ‘evil’ does come up (rarely on the personal level, all the time on the meta level), and IMO is very usually due to very deep misunderstanding of the basic nature of life.

    Happy Day All! steph

  • paulkimball

    The following comment was sent to me via e-mail:

    “one ringie-dingie.
    two ringie-dingies…

    okay, so the call. In my experience the situation in which you ‘heard’ it is one tried and true method for inducing this awareness. To wit: discussing spiritual matters in an honest, deep, relaxed and open-ended manner with another person – anywhere, with anyone really, but the chances of opening the veil or hearing ‘the call’ or letting the ego drop so one can feel an awareness of the void or etc. are greatly increased if one of the people in the discussion has had that experience previously and also if you’re in a place where many people have cultivated such awareness. Just like in your story.

    I myself had two such experiences, in both of which the other person was reduced to tears (not just a tear or two, but prolonged weeping). Both of these examples took place in a small Tibetan Buddhist Meditation Center where i lived for a while. I actually didn’t participate much at all in most of the public activities, though i did do quite a bit of cleaning. For most of my stay i slept right under the meditation hall under the teaching spot, where a number of prominent teachers had taught, including His Holiness the Sakya Trizin and the Dalai Lama.

    So, FWIW – i’m always interested when i can find some type of pattern amongst these occurrences, it doesn’t pop up as much as one would hope.

    Those interested in exorcism should listen to Greg Kaminsky’s interview with Josephine McCarthy right away – you are in for a treat!

    http://occultofpersonality.net/podcast-100-josephine-mccarthy/

    Ms. McCarthy explains herself much much better than i ever could. But she tells some wonderful stories, which help with understanding. In one case she talks about a woman who, as it turned out, was ‘possessed’ by a fire nature spirit. The spirit was a very important part of the natural ecosystem (if i remember correctly in southern california?), but you can imagine the torment for the woman. To sum up, it was a mix up – wrong place wrong energy organization (unlocked doors as you put it Mr. Kimball) wrong time, and fortunately it was straightened out. Not evil, but you can see how it would be seen that way!

    At the same time, i think ‘evil’ does come up (rarely on the personal level, all the time on the meta level), and IMO is very usually due to very deep misunderstanding of the basic nature of life.

    Happy Day All!

    steph”